HNW question

[cultofthesunmachine]

So like in Jewish culture especially the mystical part...naming something makes that something what you name it.

yes, this is very powerful magic, the name becomes a spell that is intonated frequently, it shapes the named is subtle ways

Example I read...in the Warsaw ghetto during ww2 this person told another to get In the bomb shelter and the other person says...thats just a table...and the reply was...no when we are under it its a bomb shelter.

faith is greater than works

[JLIAT]

I have to unfortunately disagree here, the sticking point seems to be you and certainly cultofthesunmachine say there can be no such thing as a meaningless thing.

I don't recall say that specifically.

Feel free to be specific. In fact you seem to be reluctant to say if there could be something which is meaningless. You seem to say its impossible for a human to create something which is.

My point is sure noise can have meaning, but also it can have none. Noise can fail to communicate. Hence the 'What the fuck is that'. If you want to say there can be no such thing as meaninglessness, or that meaning cant be lost, again fine, but i'd disagree.

Unintentional noise may be meaningless.. well unless you are a technician and your job depends on fixing it and then the noise means a lot to you.

The fact that the meaningless noise means a lot to the techie - doesn't make it meaningful, merely worrying about it wont make it go away.

Or trying to get the meaning on the Tanoy in a UK station.

You cited below as you - obviously a communication error...

He doesn't need to. "No change" is the kicker. You cant have a signal which can carry information without a minimum of two states. Good ole Binary. Or as the silver fox said, language is the play of differences.

Well he and you apparently don't understand what noise is.. it's not a static voltage.. it's rapidly changing. Also obviously a signal does not have to be binary to carry information. You're really blowing it on this argument.

Apparently? You mean white noise? Or Vomir's - of course I know its changing voltages, only they are so random as to prevent difference in which meaning can be encoded. Not that he is trying to do this anyway!

As to not having to be binary, what I said was "You cant have a signal which can carry information without a minimum of two states" Please reply using a single state, constant voltage or randomly changing one.

Yeh - 2 is minimum, we are using 256? ASCII. So i'm blowing it, whatever that means?

[cultofthesunmachine]

Nothing isnt actually nothing because it is named.

bingo, Nothing exists, we cannot approach it any further than that, even the lack of something isnt Nothing,

Naming it makes it something.

the ability to name things is how god sets us apart from the animals, he gives us the creative power, told us to use it wisely, and here we are

[JLIAT]

"Every word instantly becomes a concept precisely insofar as it is not supposed to serve as a reminder of the unique and entirely individual original experience to which it owes its origin.."

So like in Jewish culture especially the mystical part...naming something makes that something what you name it.

Might be true in the Jewish culture, God creates by saying... but Nietzsche is attacking concepts.

[JLIAT]

insulting and naive, understanding is only gained through experience, if you do not look for meaning you will not find any

And if you look hard enough you will find meaning in tea leaves and the entrails of a goat. Go for it!

[cultofthesunmachine]

insulting and naive, understanding is only gained through experience, if you do not look for meaning you will not find any

And if you look hard enough you will find meaning in tea leaves and the entrails of a goat. Go for it!

i dont need those things, i can talk to plants and animals while they are alive, the living are much more informative, you death cult worshippers live in the dark

[NoiseWiki]

Feel free to be specific. In fact you seem to be reluctant to say if there could be something which is meaningless. You seem to say its impossible for a human to create something which is.

I'm not an absolutist, are you?

The fact that the meaningless noise means a lot to the techie - doesn't make it meaningful, merely worrying about it wont make it go away.

Have you ever gotten the cold shoulder? Sometimes lack of communication is a message and means something.

Or trying to get the meaning on the Tanoy in a UK station.

I don't know what you are referring to but that doesn't make it meaningless.

Or Vomir's - of course I know its changing voltages, only they are so random as to prevent difference in which meaning can be encoded. Not that he is trying to do this anyway!

Can you really be sure you know what he is trying to do? How do you know it's all not a big prank?

Also maybe you need a larger sample size.. maybe over long enough period there is a pattern.. human perception of those changes is really not capable of detecting what exactly is going on.

Maybe you have Vulcan hearing?

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As to not having to be binary, what I said was "You cant have a signal which can carry information without a minimum of two states"

Yup and obviously noise has at least two so your argument is on the wrong foot.

So what is vomir referring to when he says no change.. no composed change.. tone.. once it starts no change.. unless of course it stops then there are two states on and off.. so binary.. communication achieved!

[RUBBISH]

"Every word instantly becomes a concept precisely insofar as it is not supposed to serve as a reminder of the unique and entirely individual original experience to which it owes its origin.."

So like in Jewish culture especially the mystical part...naming something makes that something what you name it.

Might be true in the Jewish culture, God creates by saying... but Nietzsche is attacking concepts.

Pardon me while I ramble on about might and Nietzsche.
This is the effect of medical cannabis oil.

Nietzsche is making excuses for his own damaged self.
Ironically Nietzsche was a hypocritical sickly asocial creepy weakling...not at all uber.
Yes he has some good one liners but I'm not investing in the guy...thats why the joke book Might Makes Right says in its introduction..and I paraphrase...if you are an ubermensch this book is not for you this book is for the weak or those lacking...something along those lines.
And yet the people that hype that book and Nietzsche overlook that introduction...I read that and stopped reading. I'm not gonna get took by a 100 year old joke. Maybe id read it if I found a copy at the thrift store but I have about 50 or more books in front of it that more important.

I also do not care for negative prognosticators and prevaricators that dont offer real solutions or if they do they expect other people to do all the work.
Its self important Bullshit that maybe with proper composting could be good for something or like some of Nietzsches ideas are worse than good for nothing and cause problems and confusion.
And the irony of anti religion becoming a religion with its own mythology and godlings(give it a 1000 years)
Athiesm that cites science or lack of ones own mystical experience with lets call it... the divine(insert term that works for you)...as proof of Nothing or of the divine not existing is simple minded and just wrong. Black swan fallacy.


Writing a book is not a solution to any problem except not having something to read

In the real or natural or scientific sense might as Nietzsche and ragnar redbeard present does not make right.
Might as they use the word is not generally helpful except for an attention seeking ego maniac to write a book about it.
Might as they use it is dysfunctional destructive antisocial not creative not good not healthy not right and really not mighty at all.
Might as they use it is an excuse to be morbid and depressed and not take personal responsibility for it.
Might as they use it means they stand alone against me and my friends family neighbors and like minded people and we actually have something to care about and hope for we will win the one will lose.
Might as they use it means we burn those books and seriously correct any followers of the ideology...that's thier solution not mine.
They promote thier own demise while thinking that its mighty.

An invasive species will take over an ecosystem and in the process destroy the very same and shared ecosystem eventually leading to the so called Mighty invasive species dying out too.

Might makes a mess

The might of the wind is not how mighty the wind can be and in fact is but the fact that the wind is constant massive and at most times subtle and kind,a good thing.

Anyhow...what makes a noise wall harsh?
Is HNW just drone with distortion.
I recall the record store clerk trying to sell me a hivemind CD back in the 90s..harsh drone I think is how it was described...I wasnt having it. Boring.

[banned]

what makes a noise wall harsh?

sounding like vomir.

hivemind are cool.

i have no idea what this thread is about.

[NoiseWiki]

hivemind are cool.

I'm not as familiar with the recorded output but none of the hivemind shows I was at were HNW