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cultofthesunmachine wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:20 am
JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:55 am
cultofthesunmachine wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:47 am everything has meaning, thats how you know it exists, the only thing that has no meaning is Nothing, if you know of something that has no meaning then please briefly describe it :lol:
The Universe, Me.
these things mean something to you, they are signifiers, just like all words, the objects behind the words dont strictly exist so they are irrelevant to the meaning of the words
I happen to think things exist regardless and prior to language.
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NoiseWiki wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:37 am

Jeez you sound like a Orange Shit Gibbon supporter or at least a Republican.. is your motto grab HNW by the pussy?
Sounds like an ad hominem, you should be careful as the mod might ban you... :lol:
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JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:07 am
NoiseWiki wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:37 am

Jeez you sound like a Orange Shit Gibbon supporter or at least a Republican.. is your motto grab HNW by the pussy?
Sounds like an ad hominem, you should be careful as the mod might ban you... :lol:
I've spoken with the mod and the admin and they say I can ban you instead ;-)

But you're right being Orange Shit Gibbon or a republican should be considered an insult. It's also insulting that for no apparent reason you are dragging leftist politics into this.. is that a dig at moi? Maybe you shouldn't fling shit and then complain when it is flung back at you?
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JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:05 am I happen to think things exist regardless and prior to language.
Right so meaning is not lost simply because the other party doesn't understand it.. IE encryption. In otherwords understanding the meaning is not required for communication.
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JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:07 am
NoiseWiki wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:37 am

Jeez you sound like a Orange Shit Gibbon supporter or at least a Republican.. is your motto grab HNW by the pussy?
Sounds like I can't take my own medicine, you should be careful as the mod might tickle you... :lol:
Only way to communicate with me then is to substitute my text for your own. Figures. Re my dig at Marxists in Universities - if you are a Marxist and a Humanities lecturer, sure its aimed at you. Such a position strikes me as hypocritical, decrying a system one is doing very well out of, while peddling bullshit.
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NoiseWiki wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:11 am

But you're right being Orange Shit Gibbon or a republican should be considered an insult. It's also insulting that for no apparent reason you are dragging leftist politics into this.. is that a dig at moi? Maybe you shouldn't fling shit and then complain when it is flung back at you?
I didn't bring in politics, you have. I brought in the phony academics in Humanities departments. Not new, brought to light by Alan Sokal, himself from the left in his attack on these phonies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair
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JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:29 am I didn't bring in politics, you have.
THEN WHAT THE FUCK WAS THIS DUDE? SOUNDS LIKE YOU BRINGING UP POLITICS FIRST TO ME.
JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:06 am Re representational art, from what i've seen its all the rage, from anti fascism, feminism, anti racism, anti colonialism (the current show in the turbine hall) LBGT, anti capitalism, and environmentalism. The arts have become politicised by the activists of the left to an extreme where i doubt a merely aesthetc object would be acceptable.
JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:29 am I brought in the phony academics in Humanities departments. Not new, brought to light by Alan Sokal, himself from the left in his attack on these phonies.
Oh goodie.. let me interpret in animated gif form..

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NoiseWiki wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:16 am
JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:05 am I happen to think things exist regardless and prior to language.
Right so meaning is not lost simply because the other party doesn't understand it.. IE encryption. In otherwords understanding the meaning is not required for communication.
I seem to think you maintain everything has meaning, therefore it cant be lost per se! I guess if the message was corrupted by noise you'd say it now means a corrupted message. Its a neat move, you can never have nonsense! Win win.

The meaning is lost when it cannot be understood, period, or is destroyed by stuff like noise. My take I know, not yours.
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JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:35 am I seem to think you maintain everything has meaning
I can neither confirm nor deny this.
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NoiseWiki wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:34 am
JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:29 am I didn't bring in politics, you have.
THEN WHAT THE FUCK WAS THIS DUDE? SOUNDS LIKE YOU BRINGING UP POLITICS FIRST TO ME.
JLIAT wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:06 am Re representational art, from what i've seen its all the rage, from anti fascism, feminism, anti racism, anti colonialism (the current show in the turbine hall) LBGT, anti capitalism, and environmentalism. The arts have become politicised by the activists of the left to an extreme where i doubt a merely aesthetc object would be acceptable.
WELL DUDE WE'VE SEEN YOU EDIT MY POSTS - SO IT COULD WELL BE THAT.

But if you parse my original sentence its not a political statement. I'm not discussing, bringing up politics, but showing how it has entered the criteria of validation for art.
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