HNW question

[JLIAT]

i mean, fine.
but most cotexts are arbitrary -- which suggests that it's not a very clear criteria for criticism of the work itself... which is why i'm not very harsh -- i prefer to focus on what i'm making, over 'conceptual art'

it [my walls] are still "noise" -- meaningless. it just doesn't need to be located in some 'art history' in order to be listened to that way. what does?

It cant help but be listened to and crated in some art history. Its a product of it, knowingly or not.

As for contexts, I don't think putting out a lathe cut within a genre arbitrary...

And by its contexts one understands that the meaninglessness of Minimal art like HNW is deliberate. Though some making HNW might not thinks so. That is there problem.

[cultofthesunmachine]

i guess you cant address the logical contradiction of saying the words "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " do not convey a meaning

im out

[JLIAT]

i guess you cant address the logical contradiction of saying the words "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " do not convey a meaning

im out

They apply to a work of HNW and meaningfully describe its attributes.

Just as 'The rose is red'.

Its no contradiction that the word 'red' isn't red.

[crochambeau]

Its no contradiction that the word 'red' isn't red.

Wow, I get it now.

[cultofthesunmachine]

i guess you cant address the logical contradiction of saying the words "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " do not convey a meaning

im out

They apply to a work of HNW and meaningfully describe its attributes.

For some - for others its "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " which rules out communication.

[banned]

creation > curation.

[NoiseWiki]

i guess you cant address the logical contradiction of saying the words "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " do not convey a meaning

im out

They apply to a work of HNW and meaningfully describe its attributes.

For some - for others its "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " which rules out communication.

Yeah.. I think it's pretty hard to create art and not communicate on some level no matter how hard you try unless you just never show it. Otherwise you put it into some kinda context which lends meaning. You put out an HNW release and there it's already loaded with meaning even if there is no text included. Likewise you leave a pile of trash in a gallery and it's art. If you intentional put noise in the path of communication it becomes communication. If you completely disrupt the path of communication it's meaningful.. bulldoze the venue.. it means something etc.

Do nothing, tell no one.. then maybe you can achieve meaninglessness

[cultofthesunmachine]

Yeah.. I think it's pretty hard to create art and not communicate on some level no matter how hard you try unless you just never show it.

but even then there is tacit communication between you and the work, and even if someone just hears of the work that is communication, "im secret"

You put out an HNW release and there it's already loaded with meaning even if there is no text included.

if you popped into your local coffee shop and jacked in some HNW to the sound system, i fucking guarantee every single person there would find meaning in it, not one person would state "it was meaningless, i felt nothing, i was not moved", at the very least its going to activate your fight or flight mechanism

Likewise you leave a pile of trash in a gallery and it's art. If you intentional put noise in the path of communication it becomes communication. If you completely disrupt the path of communication it's meaningful.. bulldoze the venue.. it means something etc.

Do nothing, tell no one.. then maybe you can achieve meaninglessness

BAM

[NoiseWiki]

You put out an HNW release and there it's already loaded with meaning even if there is no text included.

if you popped into your local coffee shop and jacked in some HNW to the sound system, i fucking guarantee every single person there would find meaning in it, not one person would state "it was meaningless, i felt nothing, i was not moved", at the very least its going to activate your fight or flight mechanism

Best example was 8 secs of static topping the Canadian itunes charts because it was Taylor Swift.

https://www.altpress.com/news/taylor_sw ... in_canada/

[JLIAT]

They apply to a work of HNW and meaningfully describe its attributes.

For some - for others its "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " which rules out communication.

Yeah.. I think it's pretty hard to create art and not communicate on some level no matter how hard you try unless you just never show it. Otherwise you put it into some kinda context which lends meaning. You put out an HNW release and there it's already loaded with meaning even if there is no text included. Likewise you leave a pile of trash in a gallery and it's art. If you intentional put noise in the path of communication it becomes communication. If you completely disrupt the path of communication it's meaningful.. bulldoze the venue.. it means something etc.

Do nothing, tell no one.. then maybe you can achieve meaninglessness

We've gone through this all before. The problem arises with the term 'meaning'. One can assign meaning to anything. Using the term 'represent' is I think better. The word 'red' represents the colour. The sentence "The rose is red" represents a thing, which is red. "The rose is red" has a meaning - it represents something. In this case the thing it represents has no representational meaning.
Unlike the red rose of Lancaster. Representational art, does much the same, non representational art does not represent anything

So what does a Vomir HNW represent... nothing. Can it be seen to do so, yes. Just as the stain on the ceiling represent Jesus.
But it is an arbitrary stain not made to do so.

If you want to read meaning into everything of course you are free to do so. But unlike the word 'red' in the case of the stain, one person may see Jesus, another Marx, another Micky Mouse. Such a free play of meaning would equally as no play, create a meaningless noise.

For meaning to work needs an established interplay of understanding. In art put there by the artist, or in the case of Vomir and abstract minimal art - not. But you are free to say it means anything you like. Despite the reason for its creation.

"I think it's pretty hard to create art and not communicate " 01010010100101001010 = what?