What Noise Is Not.

[NoiseWiki]

pat, i wasnt referring to you or anyone here -- all five of you! i just mean that i encounter -- too often -- people who think they're pushing the envelope by putting e.g. a good looking woman on their release, as if totally unaware that's been done, and without a sense of humor or ability to even say what they mean. it's still noise, but i feel like it's been dumbified.

ok thanks.. that's a better explanation of how you feel and I'm sure many would agree

[WhiteWarlock]

If it gets instantly turned off by listener in first few seconds by listener...
if it doesn't to sell more than extremely few dumb suckers...
if the show is pretty much empty...
if you can even get a show...
if the crowd is 98% incel males...
if it is boring as shit...
if no in can ever fucking possibly dance to it unless they happen having a grand mal seizure whilst listening...
if it is so abrasive and harsh that it sounds like a vacuum cleaner is running at +10db on the recording...
only then is it "Noise"!!!!!!!!!!

[banned]

too many younger noise people SEEM to want what they're doing to mean something. like a tribal thing

bwdik

[WhiteWarlock]

too many younger noise people SEEM to want what they're doing to mean something. like a tribal thing

bwdik

to many fucks want anything/everything they create supposedly have no fucking meaning
while they actually really have agenda
and/or claim they are sooooooooooooo insane to get free cash from socialized nanny state

[WhiteWarlock]

Is that too mean?

[banned]

i've been pretty insane before...

there's nothing wrong with belonging with people you don't know, but it's weird especially on-line

[banned]

a decade ago if i met someone into noise at a party i'd be like ok wow tell me who you are. now i feel like i already know, and it's boring.

i\m just old.

[WhiteWarlock]

if it's a reason for using old extremely compromising photos of ex girlfiends during BDSM sessions...
as covers of your releases...
and just cranking out the sound/content as fast as possible with out thinking about it very much...
then possible it is NOISE!

[WhiteWarlock]

hmmm that reminds me where the fuck are all of those photos!

[JLIAT]

copies the appearance, but not the substance, like in ideas of 'make it new' 'truth to materials'... pushing the envelope, progress... it doesn't copy those features...

i would oppose that -- imo wrong --

I think the quote from the design site re modernism shows the difference between style and substance quite clearly. You cant be 'modern' today in substantive terms only in stylistic. I mean you could write a poem in the style of The Wastelands or Crow... but it would lack the significant impact of the original.

claim to the idea that the avant garde still exists but it no longer generates either the social or artistic excitement it used it.

Because, the avant garde literally was at the front of progress and so generated excitement... where is it now, if not at the front by definition it doesn't exist.