HNW question

[JLIAT]

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pointless
[ point-lis ]
SEE DEFINITION OF pointless
adj.ridiculous, senseless
Synonyms for pointless
absurd
aimless
fruitless
futile
impotent
inconsequential
ineffective
ineffectual
insignificant
irrelevant
meaningless
powerless

So as an absolute rule.. whatever the artist says goes right? Because that's how art theory works.. artists tell you what the work is or isn't about and then you are shackled to that meaning or lack there of.. forever, in perpetuity lol

Well you are the non absolutist, and you asked for where he said his HNW was meaningless. For myself no, what the artist says is significant but not absolute.

But you dont need Roro to tell you his HNW is meaningless. Its a feature of Noise, inability to carry meaning in itself. Just as red is a feature of a red rose.

Why laugh? You asked a question I gave an answer?

[banned]

Just as red is a feature of a red rose. [/qupte]bad analogy

by its contexts one understands that the meaninglessness of Minimal art like HNW is deliberate

inn the dark, we are confronted by very many black objects. we know that these objects are deliberately made that way, because whoever cut them here turned the lights out when they left.
is the black a feature of the black object? no it's cos someone turned the lights out.

[NoiseWiki]

But you dont need Roro to tell you his HNW is meaningless. Its a feature of Noise, inability to carry meaning in itself. Just as red is a feature of a red rose.

Its meaning is meaninglessness.. just like the word meaninglessness means meaninglessness

[JLIAT]

But you dont need Roro to tell you his HNW is meaningless. Its a feature of Noise, inability to carry meaning in itself. Just as red is a feature of a red rose.

Its meaning is meaninglessness..

Contradiction.

just like the word meaninglessness means meaninglessness

Words mean things, things do not. Fish means some thing. The thing is just that. Existed before words and meanings.

That your idea leads to the contradiction, "Its meaning is meaninglessness.." should tell you something is wrong, I doubt it will.
Not my problem though.

[banned]

why does the work appear meaningless? saying "because it is" means you're relying on context -- afaict. as -- you claim -- everything can appear meaningless or meaningful. similar to [you allege] poetry -- if anything can be a poem...

works themselves -- independent of curation -- can be meaningless, but not because they are all the same work. its a judgment we make, that something is better described as red than green. we just can't infer that the rose is red and those claiming it is green are not in error.

"eggshell individualism"

[NoiseWiki]

Words mean things, things do not. Fish means some thing. The thing is just that. Existed before words and meanings.

Did recordings of HNW exist before words and meanings. No.

Painting with no words .. must obviously mean nothing. Painting of rose.. meaningless.

Yet paintings do have meaning because of actions and concepts. Hnw is a concept.. making the noise is an action therefore Hnw has meaning

[banned]

I compared the Zodiac Killer's z340 to his other major cipher, z408, and to forty other true and fake ciphers that I generated. The fake ciphers are based on random letter sequences. The plot was made with R, the scripting needed for this work was done with Python.

[JLIAT]

Words mean things, things do not. Fish means some thing. The thing is just that. Existed before words and meanings.

Did recordings of HNW exist before words and meanings. No.

Obviously. So everything now has a meaning, in your terms, and those of cultofthesunmachine. You seemed hesitant before , now seem unable to propose anything that is meaningless. So Vomir got it wrong, as far as you are concerned.

Painting with no words .. must obviously mean nothing. Painting of rose.. meaningless.

Why? You can represent other things with words or with pictures. Or even cine film! See the film represents something else, this other thing might also, actors.

Yet paintings do have meaning because of actions and concepts.

Some are representational others not.

Hnw is a concept.. making the noise is an action therefore Hnw has meaning

The action has a meaning, an intention but the product of the act does not. But you say Vomir's intention can never be successful. Nothing can have no meaning. Lets look at randomness, I might intend to make a random decision, but you would say that makes it not random. So the coin toss is not then random?

HNW is a thing. It can be used for all kinds of representation, and for none. Though you now maintain everything has meaning, nothing can be meaningless, so there you go.

Anyway bottom line - you maintain meaninglessness is impossible, the world, everything is suffused with meaning, and Vomir and I are wrong. Fine.

[NoiseWiki]

Anyway bottom line - you maintain meaninglessness is impossible, the world, everything is suffused with meaning, and Vomir and I are wrong. Fine.

No those are absolute statements that I did not make.

[JLIAT]

Anyway bottom line - you maintain meaninglessness is impossible, the world, everything is suffused with meaning, and Vomir and I are wrong. Fine.

No those are absolute statements that I did not make.

They are drawn from what you have said, and nothing to the contrary. Ergo you "maintain" meaninglessness is impossible. Maybe you cant SAY so. Or do not want to say so. I think I can understand why that is.

You certainly now see Vomir as a bit of a failure or ignorant of what he was doing, surely? He said of his HNW - "no point".