HNW question

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Time for Adrian to close you and this thread down I guess. Pity.

you don't get to decide that -- because someone criticized your opinion -- the thread gets closed

I didn't write this

ok, wow i knew that

get to the point where does what i say -- really -- imply my hnw has "reference or meaning or physical attractivenes"



certainily no more than anyone who draws anything in the world into a wall. including -- imvho -- 'art'

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anyway, no problem with constantly willfully asserting difference -- though it can be a pain inn conversation.

[cultofthesunmachine]

For some - for others its "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " which rules out communication.

please explain how using words to convey an idea is NOT a communication

[JLIAT]

For some - for others its "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " which rules out communication.

please explain how using words to convey an idea is NOT a communication

Using words to convey an idea is communication

"The term xe2x80x9cMinimalismxe2x80x9d was coined by the art writer, Richard Wollheim*, Minimalism rejected the concept of the artist as an actor, as a specific personality with a signature touch. Minimalism was a rejection of Modernist aesthetics, stripping the object of any points of reference or meaning or physical attractiveness."

1. The text quoted above describes something - Minimalism which is not communication.

2. Which could be used to describe HNW.

As does this text describe - communicate something about HNW

No Act
No Point
No Remorse
No Strategy
No Compromise
No Development
No Rhythmic joy
No Emo Feedback
No Visceral Drama
No PC Aesthetics
No Clean Acoustics
No Social concern
No Genitals power
No Personal Interaction

No Entertainment

Monolithic Frontal Sounds

Harsh Noise Wall

i.e. that it, HNW is not about communication.

[cultofthesunmachine]

For some - for others its "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " which rules out communication.

please explain how using words to convey an idea is NOT a communication

Using words to convey an idea is communication

yeah, i agree, so when you posit that "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " 'rules out communication', that is a contradiction

the communication is clearly "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse "

[JLIAT]

please explain how using words to convey an idea is NOT a communication

Using words to convey an idea is communication

yeah, i agree, so when you posit that "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " 'rules out communication', that is a contradiction

the communication is clearly "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse "

No, because the posited sentence, posited by Noisewiki from Vomir, is about communicating the idea that HNW isn't about communication. To say something is meaningless does not mean the statement is meaningless, but that what it refers to is meaningless. Language uses signifiers, which have meaning, which point to signifieds, which may or may not. In the case of HNW, Minimal Art, Nonsense and conceptual poetry, no meaning.

[cultofthesunmachine]

Using words to convey an idea is communication

yeah, i agree, so when you posit that "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " 'rules out communication', that is a contradiction

the communication is clearly "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse "

No, because the posited sentence, posited by Noisewiki from Vomir, is about communicating the idea that HNW isn't about communication.

To say something is meaningless does not mean the statement is meaningless, but that what it refers to is meaningless.

when calling something meaningless you have ascribed an attribute to that thing, it is "meaningless" which in itself has meaning, nothing is meaningless except Nothing

[banned]

the posited sentence, posited by Noisewiki from Vomir, is about communicating the idea that HNW isn't about communication. To say something is meaningless does not mean the statement is meaningless, but that what it refers to is meaningless

you seem to be saying that hnw itself does not convey its own meaninglessness.

so it's its context, that's what makes you understand it as being meaningless?

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i mean, fine.
but most cotexts are arbitrary -- which suggests that it's not a very clear criteria for criticism of the work itself... which is why i'm not very harsh -- i prefer to focus on what i'm making, over 'conceptual art'

it [my walls] are still "noise" -- meaningless. it just doesn't need to be located in some 'art history' in order to be listened to that way. what does?

[JLIAT]

yeah, i agree, so when you posit that "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse " 'rules out communication', that is a contradiction

the communication is clearly "No ideas, no changes, no development, no entertainment, and no remorse "

No, because the posited sentence, posited by Noisewiki from Vomir, is about communicating the idea that HNW isn't about communication.

To say something is meaningless does not mean the statement is meaningless, but that what it refers to is meaningless.

when calling something meaningless you have ascribed an attribute to that thing, it is "meaningless" which in itself has meaning, nothing is meaningless except Nothing

We've been here before, yes the attribute has a meaning but not what it applies to, the word red has a meaning, but isn't red.

And off topic.