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[NoiseWiki]

And the child rap-e / murder jewish extermination, used by PE bands, together with nutsy politics. The two don't seem (SEEM) to have much in common other than being generally beyond the pale for neo-liberals .

The most generous interpretation is that it's purely exploitation along the lines of Ilsa of the SS where you can try to claim that Ilsa is a powerful woman so it's not sexist even though it's basically a porn film or that the power she is granted is undermined by the fact that's she's a nutsy. It's exploitation because the makers calculated that they could make a film for a certain budget and make a profit by using shocking subject matter there's no statement or purpose other than financial gain.

I need to find the link to it again but there was an interview I want to say with Macronympha but I'm not sure where they say that early on they were mocking fascism but actual fascists started showing up at gigs so they stopped doing that. I think the guy behind Blackhouse claims to have had a similar thing happen but I'm also under the impression that he makes alot of shit up.

Basically the whole rap-e, murdery, holocaust thing is a dog whistle for possibly worse things and too many of the people fucking with this shit are playing with fire and don't know what they are trying to say or are trying to hide behind thinly veiled excuses of it's art.

[JLIAT]

And the child rap-e / murder jewish extermination, used by PE bands, together with nutsy politics. The two don't seem (SEEM) to have much in common other than being generally beyond the pale for neo-liberals .

The most generous interpretation is that it's purely exploitation along the lines of Ilsa of the SS where you can try to claim that Ilsa is a powerful woman so it's not sexist even though it's basically a porn film or that the power she is granted is undermined by the fact that's she's a nutsy. It's exploitation because the makers calculated that they could make a film for a certain budget and make a profit by using shocking subject matter there's no statement or purpose other than financial gain.

I need to find the link to it again but there was an interview I want to say with Macronympha but I'm not sure where they say that early on they were mocking fascism early on but actual fascists started showing to gigs so they stopped doing that. I think the guy behind Blackhouse claims to have had a similar thing happen but I'm also the impression that he makes alot of shit up.

Basically the whole rap-e, murdery, holocaust thing is a dog whistle for possibly worse things and too many of the people fucking with this shit are playing with fire and don't know what they are trying to say or are trying to hide behind thinly veiled excuses of it's art.

But maybe they do know, and many others, there is a lot of cruelty in the world. I'm not so generous I suppose. What many continue to do to animals and call it 'sport'.

[NoiseWiki]

But maybe they do know, and many others, there is a lot of cruelty in the world. I'm not so generous I suppose. What many continue to do to animals and call it 'sport'.

Well I was going to say for example the difference between 120 Days of Sodom and Ilsa of the SS.. one is satire and the other is pornography but they have alot in common otherwise. But to be clear I'm not saying exploitation for financial gain is ok.

Anyway to get more on topic .. if PE really were about creativity rather than lowest common denominator exploitation I'd expect a broader range of subjects than it appears to have.

The book title "fight your own war" seems to mean that too many of these projects are actually fighting the same war with the same themes and aren't fully exploring the range of suffering?



Note: imagine the above as a meme were every PE artist thinks they are pinhead showing you unique horrifying sights but in reality they are all showing you the same handful of gore pictures

[JLIAT]

Anyway to get more on topic .. if PE really were about creativity rather than lowest common denominator exploitation I'd expect a broader range of subjects than it appears to have.

^^^^^

Yes.

So a good tip... on topic. Though should this be in noise? (ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nooooooooooo)

[NoiseWiki]

Anyway to get more on topic .. if PE really were about creativity rather than lowest common denominator exploitation I'd expect a broader range of subjects than it appears to have.

^^^^^

Yes.

So a good tip... on topic. Though should this be in noise? (ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nooooooooooo)

I consider PE to be either a subset of Noise or noise adjacent so ....

[JLIAT]

Anyway to get more on topic .. if PE really were about creativity rather than lowest common denominator exploitation I'd expect a broader range of subjects than it appears to have.

^^^^^

Yes.

So a good tip... on topic. Though should this be in noise? (ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nooooooooooo)

I consider PE to be either a subset of Noise or noise adjacent so ....

OK - for me " adjacent " Noise is fairly content free... or whatever its content is, is not apparent given the noise.

[melko]

Then with respect you should maybe read what i'm actually saying, though perhaps not clearly!

I am honestly doing my best. Either I am really bad at reading or you are really bad at saying things clearly enough.

So by the 80s the avant garde (edit- probably no longer a functioning avant garde) became the general neo-liberalism of post-modernity...

So Whitehouse adopts the opposite to this movement to provoke and shock a by now 'liberal' audience... and get publicity in doing so. And sure some in the audience maybe got a thrill from this, and maybe some liked the idea of committing such violence..

And by 2020 the provocation is no longer shocking, because...?

My question to you, at least the third time, did this original provocation become real and serious to Whitehouse as it seems to be in some bands in PE that followed. Maybe you know, I wasn't into PE at the time...

And the child rap-e / murder jewish extermination, used by PE bands, together with nutsy politics. The two don't seem (SEEM) to have much in common other than being generally beyond the pale for neo-liberals .

So whilst this in PE might be a critique of Neo-liberalism, or for show publicity is in in some cases much more, as an extreme right wing political attitude to a perceived evil global politics? inhumanity...

I think there is a lacuna there. Maybe you can help me with this? how can a serious commitment to fascism - or whatever its called - ideology (for I assume perceived good intentions) square with child sex abuse murder and genocide in PE?

I don't think there's anything complicated about that. A serious commitment to fascism does not square with child sex abuse at all. Ergo, there is no serious commitment to fascism. The only thing in common between child rap-e and nutsy politics is being generally beyond the pale for neo-liberals. So the real point is "beyond the pale", not "child rap-e" or "nutsy politics" per se. PE gathers a pile of terrible stuff - specifically chosen for being as terrible as possible - and dumps it on the audience. Terrible sound, terrible visuals, terrible ideas - made even more disturbing by their internal inconsistency (cf. dissonance). And, btw, PE is definitely not the only genre that adopts this strategy.

This is why I don't understand how the provocation no longer works. People are upset by terrible stuff. And on top of that young people in 2020 are upset by jokes in Seinfeld and Friends, the most popular mainstream shows of their time.
Seinfeld Jxc3xbcgend "Dedicated to Benny Hill" - the edgiest, most triggering PE album of 2020

[NoiseWiki]

This is why I don't understand how the provocation no longer works. People are upset by terrible stuff. And on top of that young people in 2020 are upset by jokes in Seinfeld and Friends, the most popular mainstream shows of their time.
Seinfeld Jxc3xbcgend "Dedicated to Benny Hill" - the edgiest, most triggering PE album of 2020

Well for starters PE is hardly mainstream and at some point there was a huge influence of black metal fans already primed to not only not be offended but conditioned to enjoy offensive and racist material.

[melko]

Well for starters PE is hardly mainstream and at some point there was a huge influence of black metal fans already primed to not only not be offended but conditioned to enjoy offensive and racist material.

Yes, people generally tend to listen to music they like and not listen to music they do not like. So people who listen to PE usually enjoy PE. This is hardly anything new.
This fact could be used to argue that the provocation never worked. But it can not be used to argue that the provocation no longer works, i.e. used to wxd0xberk at some point before.

[RUBBISH]